Monday, March 28, 2016

An Informative Response to my Article Woden and Vata Vayu-a Comparison

This is a comment which I have received from Cyrus the Strong today in reply to my article
The comment is very informative and enlightening and I feel it deserves wider exposure hence I have posted this as an article. Cyrus the Strong is the owner of the remarkable blog

Cyrus the Strong said...
Very interesting info here. I myself drew the connection between Wotan and Vayu-Vata while looking for an ancient pan-Aryan origin for the names of the Aesir. It is not just Wotan but also Tyr, Zisa, Thor, and the Vanir Freyr and Freyja as well, whose names appear in the ancient Iranian sources, as well as in the Indo-Aryan tradition (Tir, Tissa, Tondar, Fravar, Feriy, etc.) A number of important Persian nobles and generals had names like Tirdad (justice of Tir) or Tissafarnah (under Tissa's protection) even well after State Zoroastrianism took control.

Something just never seemed right to me about the academic 'orthodoxy' that Wotan was a 'latecomer' to Germanic religion from Turanid or Mongolian sources - that hypothesis just made no sense! Wotan is clearly a God of a Farmer-archetype (Aryan) culture, with nothing at all in common with Tengri or any of the chaotic sky gods of Herder-archetype (Turanid) cultures.

Another point of interest here is the story recorded in the Bundahishn and Yashts, that mentions Tyr/Teiwaz (Tivash-Tareyhe in Avestan, Tashtir or Tir in Old Persian) destroying Apaosha, a demon of drought, with aid from a sacrifice from Vatu-Vata (later substituted for Ahura Mazda). This suggests Vayu-Vata being the stronger of the two, and hence indicates that the predominance of Odin over Tyr among the Norse was not an aberration, but a return to ancient pan-Aryan tradition from the supposed early Germanic emphasis on Tyr being "foremost" in some locales bordering the Roman Eepire.

Based on what I've read, it seems more like Ahura Mazda was one of the aspects of Vayu-Vata, rather than a subordinate deity. Ahura Mazda is simply a title that means "wisdom-God". This fits Wotan perfectly. Furthermore, the Yashts mention Vayu essentially being the "guardian spirit" of Ahura-Mazda to whom he sacrifices to gain power to smite the Angra-Mainyu but benefit the creation of Spenta Mainyu, of which Vayu-Vata is a member. Wotan sacrificed himself to himself to gain the runes, "for the weal of mankind and woe of the Jotuns". So here essentially it looks like Ahura-Mazda is basically a kenning for the lower aspect of Vayu-Vata, i.e. Wotan in the form of the gray wanderer in Midgard, while Vayu is the higher aspect, i.e. King of Asgard. Thus we have Vayu-Vata/Ahura Mazda as both giver and receiver of wisdom, sacrificing to himself to thus access deeper mysteries, as encapsulated by the spiraling Gibor-rune, symbolically as both divine giver and receiver.

Angra-Mainyu are clearly the ettins of chaos, perhaps there may be a link to the name Angrbodha here. In modern Persian, '-bod' means 'commander' or military leader (as in Arteshbod = general), and while I don't know the precise definition of Angrbodha in old Norse, it makes sense that this giantess was one of the prime leaders of corruption and chaos, being mother of Fenrir.

Another interesting point is that Tir or Tivash-Tareyhe was originally associated by Iranian cultures with the star Sirius (Tiryaush), commonly known as the dog star or the Wolf Star in many cultures. A curious parallel with Tyr being associated with aggressive canids... being "the leavings of the wolf" and fighting the hound Garm in Ragnarok. Indeed it may be this association, through eastern Aryan cultures like Ordos and the Yuezhi, that led to the adoption of Sirius as "Tenrou-sei" or Sky-Wolf Star by Asian cultures, NOT the other way around. Tenrou or Tian-Lou being likely a corruption of Tiryaush. The Turanid "Tengri" is likely a further corruption of this, given its sky-connection and the Turanid obsession with everything wolf-related.


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